Co-Presence

Co-Presence

As a reminder, there is no such thing in astrology as “strong” or “weak.” When two (or more) stars are present in the same sign that is called “co-presence”.

In both charts Mars and Jupiter are co-present in Leo. There is no difference in the effect they produce. However, there is a difference in how that effect manifests itself. That is determined by whether the chart is diurnal or nocturnal and who actually “rules” Leo. Contrary to popular belief, Sun does not always “rule” Leo. In both of these charts it is entirely possible that Mars or Jupiter is the actual “ruler” of Leo and in that instance, if the chart is diurnal then Jupiter “rules” Leo and if not then Mars “rules” Leo.

Since Leo is an active sign Mars-Jupiter co-present often indicates flashy people or show-offs. It might be the clothes or shoes they wear, the kind of car they drive, or one of those “gotta have it” people who just spent $1,400 on a TV three months ago but now a new and “better” TV is on the market so they’ll spend $2,200 to have that so’s they can impress the holy snot out of everyone.

Why? The nature of Jupiter is to stabilize or affirm and Jupiter has a difficult time doing that against the nature of Mars which is to sever or separate.

The nature of Venus is to unify or reconcile. The nature of Saturn is to reject or restrain. Certainly you can see a potential problem if Venus and Saturn are in the same but is it necessarily a bad thing?

Before you head off to the Emergency Room to have your broken nose fixed, read the chart. It could be a bad thing but it could also be a good thing and the best thing that ever happened to Venus.

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Concourse

 Concourse is a condition that occurs when two (or more) stars are within 15° of each other. What changes? Basically nothing. The meaning of Mars-Jupiter in concourse does not alter.

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Engagement

Engagement occurs when the faster star applies to the slower star and is within 3°. What changes? Nothing. The interpretation of Mars-Jupiter is still basically the same.

A valid question to ask is, “Who cares whether two (or more) stars are in concourse or one star is engaged to another?”

We haven’t addressed bounds yet. The size of many bounds in degrees means that two (or more) stars are in concourse may be in the same bounds. When a star is engaged by body to another star it is also possible they may be in the same bounds. Your interpretation doesn’t change but it does shed light on how things work out.

Another reason is everything you know about “affliction” or “debilitation” is totally wrong. A star may be afflicted or debilitated, or enhanced as in “glorified,” under certain specific circumstances and one of those circumstances is a malefic or benefic engaged to another star by body within 3°.

In the chart above, Jupiter is afflicted by Mars.

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Separation

At 1° Mars has separated from Jupiter (who is no longer afflicted). The meaning of Mars co-present with Jupiter has not changed but we can add a subtle nuance to our interpretation when we teach you the proper way to use colors and flavors which is not the way idiots are doing it now.

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Final Notes

Some of you will have a difficult time breaking very, very bad habits and will see Mars co-present with Jupiter as being “weak” and Mars and Jupiter in in concourse as “stronger” and Mars engaged to Jupiter as “strongest.”

Congratulations! You just blew the chart interpretation.

Think of co-presence as a pregnant woman at 3 months, concourse at 6 months and engaged, bonded or bodily joined as 9 months pregnant.

Is that stronger? No, of course not, because that would be silly. But it is definitely more pronounced, more prominent, or more noticeable but that does not equate to “stronger.”

The problem is people see two stars co-present or in course and they start thinking in terms of “strong” or “weak” which then translates into “likely” and “more likely.” No, wrong. It’s a simple question, “Are the two stars in the same sign?” It’s a simple “yes” or “no” question. If the answer is “yes” then the effect exists. Period. End of story. No such thing as “likelihood” in astrology.